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  • Illusion
    started a topic PLM Pro

    PLM Pro

    The serial PLM is the most important Insteon device in my system. I would love a higher end version of this vital module. I would be willing to pay 3-4X more for it.

    Feature requests include:

    1. Switch to turn off RF communication
    2. Switch to turn off Power Line communication
    3. External antenna included or optional
    4. Increased link storage capacity
    5. Increased robustness. They seem too delicate to be the backbone of my system based on user reviews and personal experience.
    6. Field upgradable firmware


    Number 1 and 2 allow for additional troubleshooting options. But just as important, it allows for the PLM to be in a quiet environment for certain advanced operations by turning off both 1 and 2. I use an ISY and counting links in the PLM is difficult for me. I have thermostats and motion detectors that communicate often and that can make link counts troublesome. Also, restoring a PLM is difficult for me because of the constant communication from many many devices. It is tough for me to obtain a quiet Insteon environment for the long periods of time some of these operations consume.

    Edit: Hi guys, thanks for all the comments and likes. I think I am going to edit my original post to include some of your feature requests so that the whole thread does not have to be scoured to see what the community is thinking.
    Last edited by Illusion; 01-10-2017, 08:25 AM.

  • Wayneb
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    Good to hear, I can wait to hear, just hope it is not too long before you guys announce all your great new plans and devices, hope there is a big push to up the market share for Insteon.

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  • SteveL
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    There has been a lot of speculation as to what insteon is up to.

    I can confirm that there is a lot going on behind the scenes that I wish I could share publicly now. For anyone that would like to talk to me directly I would be happy to talk to you.

    Just email me your name and phone number.

    slee@insteon.com

    regards,

    Steve Lee
    Insteon

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  • BLH
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    Richmond Capital Partners took over Smatlabs in June of 2017. So far the only thing I have seen is products discontinued. Now that doesn't mean there are not unannounced plans for new Insteon devices in the works.
    They are very protective of the Insteon protocol and I doubt it will ever be shared with others. In the early days of Insteon there where a few companies that where interested with Insteon but it all fell through. Some went to the Z-Wave protocol.

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  • Wayneb
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    Maybe the new owner might be better to deal with, I don't know what has changed since then. I have not added any new Insteon stuff in years but I do have some spares on hand that have not been installed yet. It seems Insteon is still not very well known even though they have been around a long time. If you go to Reddit where the younger crowd hangs out the Home Automation forum has 323K subscribers and the Insteon forum only has 291. I would like to see Insteon technology licensed to other companies so it is not just one manufacturer selling it, Z-wave stuff is everywhere.

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  • BLH
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    After Universal Designs designing their own PLM replacement and having some engineering prototypes to test with.
    Smartlabs reversed their promise to provide the firmware in chips or programming images. The project had to be shelved years ago.
    There designs are solid and we would not have the PLM we are still forced to use.

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  • Wayneb
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    An ISY still needs a PLM to function, something built to a much higher standard designed to last for many years would be one thing, the thread is full of suggestions that people want, I like the idea of being able to upgrade the firmware and also an external antenna should be high on the list.

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  • lilyoyo1
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    What benefit would you get from a plm pro that you already don't have by using the isy?

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  • Wayneb
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    Is anyone still listening to Insteon users? Why isn't there a higher grade Pro PLM yet? I fear Insteon will not last much longer in the market if they don't start taking it more seriously and address the needs and wants of their user base. I have been using Insteon since almost the beginning, I almost dumped it all over the old PLC problems, only switching to an ISY-99i and a PLM setup kept me using Insteon but I had started to switch over to Lutron RadioRA, had it not been so expensive to switch I would have been long gone by now. I have been using Insteon since late January 2006 and if not for UDI and their outstanding ISY controllers I would never recommend Insteon to anybody. I would gladly pay as much for a true Pro grade PLM as I did for my ISY-994i ZWIR.

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  • healeydriver
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    contrary to instructions/advice. I decided to plug my PLM into a UPS (battery backup system). Therefore I rely on the RF link to get my PLM connections into the 120v wiring of my house. I am no longer suffering blown PLM's due to powerline glitches, but it is a pain to have eliminated one whole leg of the redundant mesh properties of Insteon because PLM is not robust to voltage surges.....Whatever you do, please make the PLM well protected against voltage spikes on the line. Thanks

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  • stusviews
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    Originally posted by wintermute View Post
    you will see this is now common knowledge and it IS hurting sales.
    What is the difference in sales. I haven't been able to find that information anywhere.

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  • BLH
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    If you are electronically inclined or know someone who is.
    There is a long thread on the UDI forums on the subject and how we have rebuilt the known power supply problems. To bring them back to life.
    http://forum.universal-devices.com/t...-supply-fails/

    Smarthome has indicated. Problem components where discovered and starting at hardware 2.3 they have been replaced for better operation.

    PLM Pro sound like a good thing. Only time will tell with Richmond Capital Partners now owning Smarthome-Smartlabs, if it may happen.

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  • wintermute
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    PLM Pro please... with emphasis on hardware reliability, robustness and at least an 8-year warranty. These 2413S's keep dying on me and my clients. Insteon is creating a bad name for itself if it continues to produce unreliable hardware. Clients will all migrate to competitors if basic hardware reliability cannot be assured. At least upgrade the capacitors in the current 2413S so they don't die every two years. Google "dead insteon PLM" and you will see this is now common knowledge and it IS hurting sales.

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  • EVIL Teken
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    Originally posted by Illusion View Post
    As I write this, my trusty ISY is rebuilding my system in the background as I move to yet another new PLM due to failure. Of all my feature requests, the lack of increase in link capacity fascinates me the most. In nearly 10 years since the upgrading of PLMs to support about 1000 links there has been no change to that spec.

    I find this a bit crazy as without that I have been unable (unwilling) to buy additional Insteon products as I am at capacity on my PLM. I do not have a mansion, and this is in a residential application. I do not understand why the makers of these devices would not increase the link capacity. I do not see how a PLM (at 1000 links) could support a large residential or light commercial installation. Surely users with ISYs purchase more Insteon products that the average user who does not have an ISY (and subsequently a PLM). And as soon as they come out with a unit with more link support, I will buy more stuff...
    +1,

    This idea has garnered one of the highest *Likes* from the general public. Yet late in 2017 there isn't one sign of this or similar on its way ~ shameful!!! If the new guy who has taken over is to be taken seriously in 2018 the Smartlabs company must push forward by allowing companies like UDI to develop their own for the Insteon brand. Its quite apparent no one here has the common sense and will power to make Insteon the leading Home Automation protocol for the masses.

    The minim link capacity should be 5000 links . . . A Pro PLM should offer hundreds of thousands given its 2017 and memory is cheap!!! I'll bet anyone $50.00 bucks this will never see day light or cross an engineer for review and deployment in 2018.

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  • Illusion
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    As I write this, my trusty ISY is rebuilding my system in the background as I move to yet another new PLM due to failure. Of all my feature requests, the lack of increase in link capacity fascinates me the most. In nearly 10 years since the upgrading of PLMs to support about 1000 links there has been no change to that spec.

    I find this a bit crazy as without that I have been unable (unwilling) to buy additional Insteon products as I am at capacity on my PLM. I do not have a mansion, and this is in a residential application. I do not understand why the makers of these devices would not increase the link capacity. I do not see how a PLM (at 1000 links) could support a large residential or light commercial installation. Surely users with ISYs purchase more Insteon products than the average user who does not have an ISY (and subsequently a PLM). And as soon as they come out with a unit with more link support, I will buy more stuff...
    Last edited by Illusion; 12-19-2017, 03:01 PM.

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