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    Hi I'm working on a new project and just realized not only does the Hub require connection to the local network, accessible via WiFi by the Insteon App, it appears to require connection to the Internet. This is impossible because the Internet connection is subscribed as a multi year service plan and only a cut over is possible from the old address when someone moves in to the new place when reno is finished. So is there any other way for setting up all the devices using the Hub without running around all over pressing at least two sets of buttons to set the controlling and following devices?

  • #2
    There isn't. The hub is cloud based so you need internet

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    • #3
      Internet is required for the Hub to set up devices. That said, there's nothing preventing you from temporarily powering devices with a lamp cord and programming scenes offsite, then installing all the gear in its final location. Scenes are saved directly to device link tables and continue to operate locally without any Internet connection. Only schedules, operation from the app, or scene changes via the Hub won't work at the site until the Internet is connected there.

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      • #4
        "there's nothing preventing you from temporarily powering devices with a lamp cord and programming scenes offsite, then installing all the gear in its final location."
        I'm sorry but this is a major crippling factor. This is doing things twice with twice the labor for the electrician.
        What advantages are we gaining by using the Internet for the initial programming?

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        • #5
          Not so. I almost always, setup scenes using a lamp cord prior to installing the device. Then I install the device in it's intended location. The other solution is to install the device and then set up the scenes.

          In either case, installation and set-up occurs once each.
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          • #6
            Problem is I can't do the setup during construction without an Internet connection. I had to buy a wireless bridge with router function and use a phone acting as wifi hotspot. I tried a wireless bridge but it didn't work because the phone assigned public IP to the app and hub so they can't communicate.

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            • #7
              The Hub is a starter/entry level, consumer device, not well suited to your application. If you are doing this professionally, it makes sense to use professional tools. Use an ISY, you can use it to program device relationships then remove its own links.

              Once the house sells and the customer gets utilities installed, if they want control from their phone or device schedules or other features requiring a central controller, you can offer and charge for a seperate, follow-up visit to install a Hub or ISY and to set up the appropriate apps customized to the needs of the new homeowner.

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              • #8
                I think the reason I didn't order the ISY was because Insteon doesn't have a modem that works in 230V AC.

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                • #9
                  That complicates matters, but doesn't necessarily make them impossible. If you are in the Americas, you can use a power converter and RF signals. I don't have the link handy, but I've read where a firm on the other side of the Atlantic has been modifying the 2242 Hub to act as a substitute for a PLM. You might want to check with your Insteon supplier to see if that option is available for you.

                  If not, you still have the option of tap-linking. That process is actually faster than software linking once you become adept at the tap sequences, so long as installers are working in pairs.

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                  • #10
                    I am trying to set up a short term (1 or 2 months) monitor for a home I have that is for sale access town. I have an old MacBook Air which can get a suitable wifi signal from a neighbor at this remote location. I have an Insteon hub and some sensors attached that work fine at my home attached by ethernet to my Apple router. Any suggestions as to how to allow MacBook to feed an ethernet signal to the Insteon hub at the remote location? I could also use a pay as you go hotspot, but none I've found have an ethernet-out port.

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                    • #11
                      Netgear makes one (#LB1120) that will work with most carriers. I tried one called Freedom Pop on Sprint and it worked well.

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